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Poster: tank_tuba Date: Jul 9, 2010 11:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ladies of the Forum ( and those who think they are ladies )

I don't think there are any ladies at this sausage fest.
Nary a one.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 9, 2010 12:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ladies of the Forum ( and those who think they are ladies )

What about men who wear skirts?

Seriously, speaking as one of the non-existant ladies here, I don't think my preferences really fall easily along gender lines. Yeah, I may have more fun with MSWS than a guy, just because it's a great in-your-face moment (since it's so obviously TRUE), but I don't really "relate" to characters in the Dead universe in a particularly literal way anyway.

I find meaning in specific lyrics, rather than in the characters, who seem to exist in a mythic universe; besides, to me, the stories are strung together with ideas that are much broader and deeper than the characters, and intentionally vague, so it transcends the story line. That's why Hunter in particular is such an amazing lyricist.

So it's not a matter of "do you relate to a character who is a gambler?" but a matter of how the gambling metaphor connects with things in my life and what broader meaning it has. I see the characters in the Dead universe as iconic rather than realistic, and very much in the timeless folk tradition where you do have tough, rambling characters and life-and-death situations; I doubt many men would really see themselves in Jack Straw! (Hope not.)

I don't dispute the impact of gender on perception, anymore than I'd dispute the impact of class, race, age, cultural background, etc. But it's just one factor of many.

My "favorites" probably aren't very "girly," anyway. The Other One (also CE, New Potato Caboose, The Eleven); St. Stephen; Dark Star ... those are probably tops on my list.

I find Wharf Rat very powerful even though I'm no August West. Some of the lines speak to everyone, really -- not just, ya know, male whinos or substance abusers. And Terrapin ... yeah, there's a lady with a fan, but what's powerful about it goes far beyond gender or story.

I could write a very long list of favorites, and sure, some refer to women, but that's not why I like them, anyway ...

What did your wife say, Micah? I'd be curious ...

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jul 9, 2010 2:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ladies of the Forum ( and those who think they are ladies )

Don't want to hijack this thread but...

I think yesterday was the first time I had heard this version and I was really diggin' it. It is a pretty heavy version considering how "jazzy" TOO and how spacey the Playin' is.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-07-01.fob.kaslow-todd.motb-0055.88608.flac24

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

TOOTMO

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 9, 2010 3:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ladies of the Forum ( and those who think they are ladies )

This thread is just one colossal hijack from start to finish. Don't be shy about pitching in!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 9, 2010 3:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ladies of the Forum ( and those who think they are ladies )

Wait until the post , why is the GD aud . mostly white , middle ( or higher ) class Americans . That ought to be interesting .

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 9, 2010 3:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ladies of the Forum ( and those who think they are ladies )

Well I don't tick too many of these boxes, young fellow.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 9, 2010 5:28pm
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Good , another POV , Mr. 'smith .
As long as your not purple . I don't like purple people .

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 9, 2010 5:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ladies of the Forum ( and those who think they are ladies )

I said Mr. Purple People Eater, what's your line
He said it's eatin' purple people and it sure is fine
But that's not the reason that I came to land
I wanna get a job in a rock and roll band

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Jul 9, 2010 5:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ladies of the Forum ( and those who think they are ladies )

Althea, I liked your post quite a bit...
When my husband, (Micah6v8) asked me if I thought men and women perceive music differently, my first was 'I think we perceive most everything differently'. The first (and really only example) that I came up with was MSWS because I know we (girls)had different responses than the boys had for all the obvious reasons-not the least of which is the truth to the song :) Now that I've had some time to think about the question I'm not sure if it's a man/woman thing or just something between my love and I. My first reaction to most any kind of music is how 'danceable' it is and then I hear the lyrics. I know my husband pays close attention to each instrument/musician while I hear the music as a whole. I also taste food as whole while my husband can pick out what's in it...just a difference between us.
As far as the actual lyrics are concerned, I completely agree that I do not feel anymore drawn to lyrics if they are about women than I would if they are about men...I am drawn to the stories that the songs tell.
just my humlbe opinion.
Peace :)

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 10, 2010 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ladies of the Forum ( and those who think they are ladies )

Thanks, Deb, and welcome to the circus! Now there's someone to keep an eye on Micah to whom he actually has to pay attention :-)

In terms of how we listen to music: It sounds as if I listen a lot like Micah, actually -- for individual musicians and their interplay. I listen to the whole gestalt, but also for the interplay that reflects on that.

But I'm definitely about the dancing, too. Interesting that when I have to list my favorites, the absolute top ones aren't my Happy Dances. More in the SYF category. I think that goes together, though, because the music's appeal is multi-faceted; it's not just about the dancing or the jams or the facemelt moments, but All of the Above, combined.

For instance, lyrics are secondary for me, but they're also a big factor -- and not just specific lyrics, but the way it all ties together into a more-or-less coherent universe. That's some of what rises the music to the level of art rather than just good music. (Which is partly why I'm not keen on Day Job or Beatles covers, although selection of covers is part of the overall vision, for me, so covers can certainly be "Dead Universe" in my mind!)

Anyway, hope you had fun dancing last night if that's really what you were doing -- "bad cover band" or not, heck, I'd go :-)




This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2010-07-10 18:45:41

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2010-07-10 19:04:18

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Jul 10, 2010 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ladies of the Forum ( and those who think they are ladies )

I really did go dancing and the cover band isn't all that bad! Sometimes I think dancing is like therapy for me...and so much cheaper! All my boys like me better after I've been spinning for a couple of hours :)
I tried once to list my favorites GD songs...I couldn't do it...it really depends on my mood/situation/what's going on in my life.
I really think how I listen to music has to do with a sensory problem I have...I can't really hear the individual instruments...nor can I taste individual ingredients in food...I hear the whole and I taste the whole. It's ok with me but I think it drives my husband nuts when I can't pick out Bobby or Phil or Jerry...just part of my quirkiness, I guess!
Have a great day :)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 9, 2010 6:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ladies of the Forum ( and those who think they are ladies )

Is this authentic? A mr and mrs double team? A forum first if so - and I just love it! (And hey, MSWS is just another soft soap guy ploy - he didn't really mean it, y'know?)

(And hey ((part 2)), Deb - your husband is a good guy to have around - you've worked well there!)

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 9, 2010 6:16pm
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We aren't even in the same place . I'm home w/ the children . While after working for a few hours , someone I know is going out dancing to some awful GD cover band with her gal pals .
And I've been telling her for years BW had tongue firmly in cheek w/ MSWS

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 9, 2010 6:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ladies of the Forum ( and those who think they are ladies )

I'm not going to pursue tongues in cheeks you'll be pleased to know, but as far as killer versions of MSWS go - Harry Belafonte is your man.

Garden of Eden was very nice
Adam never work in Paradise
Eve meet snake, Paradise gone
She make Adam work from that day on

Methuselah spent all his life in tears
Lived without a woman for 900 years
One day he decided to have some fun
The poor man never lived to see 900 and one

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Jul 9, 2010 6:23pm
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ahhh...but here it is again...I don't care so much about the music but how easily I can dance to it...that's the most important part and there will be others spinning away with me...I love that energy.

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Jul 9, 2010 6:17pm
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Why thank you...I think he's pretty cool even though he referred to me as 'wifey' and apparently doesn't like purple people...the things you learn!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 9, 2010 7:02pm
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welcome dancin' deb ... so happy there is more female influence here lately.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 9, 2010 7:04pm
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MSWS I think is mainly enjoyable because Bobby is just so cute singing it.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 9, 2010 7:10pm
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I'm sorry Ring , but that is puke inducing .
And Go to a darn Futhur show , why don't ye

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 9, 2010 7:31pm
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LOL sorry, but it's not that great a song, otherwise.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 9, 2010 7:36pm
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Don't be sorry , silly
How many Bobby ! Bobby ! Bobby's did I hear @ the beginning of set 1 and 2 ? ;)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 9, 2010 7:46pm
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Here's one I enjoy - weird but cute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is7FKcywuhI

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 9, 2010 5:54pm
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Ahhh , that's micah6vs8 to you missy . What brass for a newbie .

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jul 9, 2010 6:01pm
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Worlds collide !

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Jul 9, 2010 6:05pm
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I can't believe you don't like purple people...unbelievable!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 9, 2010 2:16pm
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Hey ARose (great handle, BTW), as the one often accused of "chatting up the ladies" here at the Forum, I will act in character to ask two questions: first, you have only been a "regular" a short while, right? IE, while I was MIA, and such as I don't recall interacting prior (though it seems I recall you posting a few nice comments with respect to my premature retirement speech). Second, I noticed your "favs listing" as heavily "early era", right?

Just curious if, like the other gals that have been here (Sainted Stephen, Miss D, perhaps Ring L O and Jess), you prefer the pre-77 era material.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 9, 2010 2:23pm
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How's it hanging Mr. Favre?

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Poster: high flow Date: Jul 9, 2010 2:29pm
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William Tell: I've decided to take my skills to........The Cream Forum.

Jim Gray: Many folks here once called you the PM? Do you feel you owe your fans an explanation?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 9, 2010 2:38pm
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Ha!

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Poster: high flow Date: Jul 9, 2010 2:42pm
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Love the big-coarse HA! - G. Costanza(although I think he hated it.)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 9, 2010 3:02pm
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WTF? You and BD can't come up with anything on the set-up I provided with "...premature..."?

Pathetic.

I expect better of you two clowns.

[though in truth, since I know the drill, the other two themes, George and Gray, were damn funny...]

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 9, 2010 2:24pm
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Yeah, I've lurked a while and read lots of reviews, but just got sucked in recently into this particular black hole, ahem, I mean forum ...

I wouldn't say I "prefer" pre-'77, exactly, because I definitely appreciate later shows; it depends on what I'm in the mood for. But in terms of particular songs, well, there wasn't a whole lot of good writing going on after '77, really. (Although Althea is later :-) ) So doesn't it seem kind of inevitable that a list of favorites would be early era? Then, of course, the power of the earlier era is really in a class by itself. (I was going to list Viola Lee and Morning Dew, too, which would further support your case, eh?)

I think it's partly what you imprint on, too. My first shows were in '78, and in retrospect, it wasn't so terribly removed from the late '60s (though we certainly felt we'd missed all the fun!); the music of that era still did have a kind of relevance and risk. It hadn't been cutesy-fied by classic radio. So I did a lot of listening early on to the earliest albums, and really do have a lot of associations and "imprinting," if you will, from those songs and sounds. Plus, I used to hear a lot of tapes at that time from the early '70s. So even though I came in during "late Keith and Donna," I kind of relate to being Keith-and-Donna era.

But I'm also a bit of an early '80s fanatic, perhaps because that's when I actually saw most of my shows. So I do like a nice Wang Dang Doodle :-)

I won't diss the later era, but honestly haven't heard that much. One of these days I'll do more listening. It's on my To-Do List ...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 9, 2010 2:47pm
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So I do like a nice Wang Dang Doodle :-)

You realise what a huge hostage to fortune that is amongst the lowlifes and ne'er do wells that infest this place? Naturally with my impeccable gentlemanly credentials I shall refrain from further comment...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 9, 2010 2:53pm
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Well, you wear a skirt.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 9, 2010 2:54pm
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And it shows off my gentlemanly credentials very nicely...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 9, 2010 2:56pm
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As we can see from your picture below.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 9, 2010 3:04pm
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I dunno why, but only this comes to mind when thinking of Rob and kilts: As Eric C replied to Jack B at a concert I was listening to (Jack commenting on Eric's comments to the crowd, addressing their "song selection shouts", etc.):

JB: "...showmanship!...he's a showman to the hilt"

EC: "...I am not showing my hilt to anyone"

JB: "...you leave your hilt outta this"

Conclusion: I doubt we'll be seeing anything of kilts or hilts around here...?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 9, 2010 3:19pm
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And as much as I've enjoyed EC, he always make me think of RAR and White Riot (wordsmith will understand):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Racism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9eLeZS9OeY

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 9, 2010 3:24pm
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Wordsmith understands very well. God died that day.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 9, 2010 3:01pm
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By royal appointment:

kilt_bez5.jpg

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 9, 2010 3:35pm
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I love the guy to the left of HRM .

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 9, 2010 3:41pm
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I'll give him your number...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 9, 2010 5:41pm
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You Are getting to know me so well ...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 9, 2010 2:44pm
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Hey. Is it about time I inform Madam Tell of your 'prior interactions', you mustachio-twirling gadabout?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 9, 2010 3:33pm
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AR - I do relate to Jack Straw at times . I'm just being blunt with the self appraisal . That is why people in my web of relationships , and degrees of separation , are quite happy that I found a external moral structure that reprogrammed an amoral internal one . Quite happy , indeed .
My dearest will have to stop lurking , if you want an answer to your question AR . I think she might .

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 9, 2010 5:13pm
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Yes, she might as well join the madness. Tell her the forum needs more of the gentle, sensitive, mother earth energy that the ladies here so clearly add. She could call herself MicahDot. That would be fitting.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 9, 2010 5:26pm
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She would kick my butt through the goal posts of life if I was to rec. that .
What are you trying to do to me AR ?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 9, 2010 2:28pm
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Men who wear skirts? Did someone call my name?

kiltblown_bez2.jpg

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 9, 2010 2:47pm
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Which one are you, Rob?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 9, 2010 2:50pm
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i was going to say the one bringing up the rear but that kind of sounds wrong on more than one level...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 9, 2010 11:55am
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More fool you then.

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Poster: tank_tuba Date: Jul 9, 2010 12:36pm
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With heavy emphasis on fool.

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